Character Creation / Classes

[John Adams]

LE,
Something we might need to consider when setting up our characters is to include all skills/abilities that the character may inherit from it's parent class/archetype.
For instance, if I create a Guardian, I expect to get all the skills, abilities, arts, or spells awarded to Warriors or Fighters as well. I have set up starting_spells for Fighters, the Taunt ability. However, when I created my Guardian, he had no such ability. If I set the starting_spells specifically for Guardian, then I get what I expect. But I should be able to give the 6 fighter classes their skills with a single entry... yes?
Am I correct in this? Or misunderstanding how we should be setting up our skill/ability assignments?
Thanks

[John Adams]

Here's a bump from hell. The more items I test myself, the more I am noticing my characters do not possess all the "skills" they should at creation... so here's the question to the community of players.

When a character is born (created), should they - from the very start - have the skills required to use every piece of equipment they will ever use in their lifetime (restricted by race or class, of course)?

Ie., Tower Shields, Round Shields, Rapiers, Great Swords, Axes, Spears, etc.


Example Item: Blade of the Forgiven - Someone bugged this as not equippable, but it's merely because they lack the skill to equip it



There are a ton of skills players do not have, and I just need to know if they should have them at create time, or is it something they learn later via books or some other means.

Thanks

[John Adams]

Here's the list of known skills that players currently DO NOT have... which prevents them from using certain items/abilities, i am sure.

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"id"	"name"	"description"
"287643040"	"Enchanter"	"This allows you to use enchanter spells."
"545043066"	"Symbols"	"This allows you to use a magical symbol as a shield."
"554333641"	"Hammer"	"This allows you to use one-handed hammers in battle."
"574366497"	"Apothecary"	"This allows you to refine items into oil, resin, temper, loam, and wash.  It also allows you to work these refines into other components."
"641561514"	"Rapier"	"The allows you to use rapiers in battle."
"770311065"	"Mace"		"This allows you to wield Mace and Mace-like weapons."
"773137566"	"Scribing"	"This is how well you create spells and copy books."
"887279616"	"Dagger"	"This allows you to use daggers in battle."
"935416212"	"Culinary"	"This allows you to prepare foods."
"1038997614"	"Tinkering"	"This allows you to make Gadgets, Gizmos, and Doohickeys"
"1039865549"	"Sculpting"	"Tradeskill technique used by carpenters and craftsman"
"1124719197"	"Warrior"	"This allows you to use warrior combat arts."
"1151456682"	"Heavy Armoring"	"Tradeskill knowledge used by outfitters and armorers"
"1311635100"	"Bard"		"This allows you to use bard spells."
"1386343008"	"Geocraft"	"Technique used by geomancers."
"1408356869"	"Fighter"	"This allows you to use fighter combat arts."
"1468243427"	"Tracking"	"This is how well you find monsters or creatures within a zone."
"1478114179"	"Woodcraft"	"Technique used by timbercrafters."
"1514256692"	"Rogue"		"This allows you to use rogue combat arts."
"1553857724"	"Investigation"	"Your ability to investigate various objects and discern any clues they might possess."
"1616998748"	"Spear"		"This allows you to use spears in battle."
"1653482350"	"Great Hammer"	"The allows you to use two-handed hammers in battle."
"1677747280"	"Woodworking"	"This is how well you create items made of wood."
"1696217328"	"Sword"		"This allows you to use one-handed swords in battle."
"1703539708"	"Timbercraft"	"This allows you to refine items into lumber and paper.  It also allows you to work these refines into other components."
"1829443087"	"Inquisitor"	"This allows you to use inquisitor spells."
"1852383242"	"Dual Wield"	"This skill allows you to wield dual wield style weapons in your secondary slot."
"1921433074"	"Scout"		"This allows you to use scout combat arts."
"1970131346"	"Transmuting"	"This allows you to break down items into components."
"2037831821"	"Swimming"	"This is how well you swim in water."
"2082133324"	"Tailoring"	"This is how well you create items made of cloth."
"2120065377"	"Summoner"	"This allows you to use summoner spells."
"2200201799"	"Disarm Trap"	"This is how well you disarm the dangerous effects of a trap."
"2292577688"	"Great Sword"	"This allows you to use two-handed swords in battle."
"2380184628"	"Great Spear"	"This allows you to use large polearms in battle."
"2398950520"	"Summoner"	"Knowledge used in the casting of Summoner spells."
"2459659856"	"Dummy"		"Dummy Skill used for combat arts, no one really gets it.  It's referred to by combat arts which as a success skill.  Since combat arts ignore success skills this is OK, but not really that straightforward we might want to remove references to it from thos"
"2463145248"	"Priest"	"This allows you to use priest spells."
"2463992638"	"Runecraft"	"This allows you to make magical augmentations that can be placed in many different items."
"2476073427"	"Axe"		"This allows you to use one-handed axes in battle."
"2530063117"	"Weaving"	"This allows you to refine items into leather, thread, and yarn.  It also allows you to work these refines into other components."
"2533124061"	"Sorcery"	"Knowledge used to cast Sorcery spells."
"2557647574"	"Chemistry"	"This is how well you create trade skill items by using chemistry."
"2591116872"	"Thaumaturgy"	"Technique used by apothecaries."
"2608320658"	"Kite Shield"	"This allows you to use large shields."
"2639209773"	"Craftsmanship"	"This is a knowledge used by craftman and carpenters for tradeskills."
"2710531826"	"Light Armoring"	"Tradeskill knowledge used by outfitters and weaponsmiths"
"2812765109"	"Geomancy"	"This allows you to refine items into gems, metal bars, and precious metal bars.  It also allows you to work these refines into other components."
"2817699641"	"Alchemy"	"This allows you to make potions and poisons."
"2896808154"	"Binding"	"Technique used by weavers."
"2949308177"	"Arcana"	"This allows you to make spells and books."
"2954459351"	"Great Axe"	"This allows you to use two-handed axes in battle."
"3076004370"	"Fletching"	"Used by tradesman to create arrows, shields, staves etc"
"3108933728"	"Metal Shaping"	"Tradeskill Technique used by outfitters and Armorers"
"3167106577"	"Predator"	"This allows you to use predator combat arts."
"3173504370"	"Round Shield"	"This allows you to use medium shields."
"3180399725"	"Staff"		"This allows you to use two-handed staves in battle."
"3232294366"	"Safe Fall"	"This is how well you reduce damage taken in a fall."
"3282420779"	"Druid"		"This allows you to use druid spells."
"3330500131"	"Artificing"	"This is how well you create magic items by using trade skills."
"3341842907"	"Cleric"	"This allows you to use cleric spells."
"3343700951"	"Shaman"	"This allows you to cast Shaman spells"
"3395302654"	"Weaponry"	"This allows you to craft weapons."
"3429135390"	"Mystical Destruction"	"This governs your ability to destroy mystical objects."
"3729226181"	"Warcries"	"NOT USED"
"3809066846"	"Crusader"	"This allows you to use crusader spells."
"3820670534"	"Mage"		"This allows you to use mage spells."
"3856706740"	"Brawler"	"This allows you to use brawler combat arts."
"3881305672"	"Artistry"	"Technique used by Craftsman and Provisioners"
"4008363914"	"Pick Lock"	"This is how well you pick a lock."
"4032608519"	"Metalworking"	"This is how well you create items made of metal."
"4037812502"	"Buckler"	"This allows you to use very small shields."
"4253456353"	"Skin"		"Generic skill in wielding natural items."

[LethalEncounter]

Yup you are right, now that I recently added the ability to determine which base class a player's class responds too I can easily add this in.

[LethalEncounter]

Added the ability to use base classes in starting_items, starting_skills, starting_spells, and starting_skillbar.

[John Adams]

Awesome, so now all I have to do is determine what base[class] gets what skill

If anyone still wants to tell me if these skills you are born with, or learn-as-you-go, it will be helpful.

[John Adams]

I am logged into live now, checking my character's Persona / Skills screen. I see nothing about Great Axe, Great Spear, Great Sword, etc... Do we not see these skills in-game?

My character wields a Great Hammer, and I do not see even a Hammers skill on my toon. Am I just missing it?

[Scatman]

These were used back in the day I believe. I don't remember seeing them anymore but I believe we still have them.

[Wdneq2]

Isnt it rather the weapon/eqipment has a character class assigned to it rather than the character have the weapon assigned to it.
Only skill i know of are "you get better at " piercing/slashing etc etc?
Just throwing a thought out there, sorry if its a brain fart ;p

[John Adams]

Not exactly. Equipment does have a character Class assigned to it - that's what you see at the bottom in the classes list in Examine.

But Equipment also has "Skills" that are required to use them. That skill doesn't appear to always be displayed (at least in my research). In order to use a Tower Shield, the player has to have the Tower Shield skill - but from what I think I am learning here, Tower, Round, Buckler, (etc) Shields, all are "child skills" of a parent skill "Shields".

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    "id"   "name"   "description"
    "545043066"   "Symbols"   "This allows you to use a magical symbol as a shield."
    "2608320658"   "Kite Shield"   "This allows you to use large shields."
    "3173504370"   "Round Shield"   "This allows you to use medium shields."
    "4037812502"   "Buckler"   "This allows you to use very small shields."

So perhaps when we're done here, if you as a character have the skill to use a Shield in general, then you can also use all forms of shields - though I disagree with that concept. I always thought a gnome SK running around with a Tower Shield would be pretty silly... but I am still waiting for more clarification on all these indirect skills and how they apply.

If I cannot see the skill in-game, I am not sure how it is used - except in the above parent/child assumption.

[ilythor]

I have a very beefy Eq2 manual (hard copy) with all of the weapons and armour that the classes, sub classes, and archetypes use. Would you like me to list them as written? Mind you this may be dated information and they may have changed these in patches, and by dated i mean a few years dated.

[John Adams]

Nah Ily, that would be helluva lot of typing We know what the data IS - I just need to know how it is assigned. And since I can no longer view my character's skill of Great Axe, how do I know I have that skill, to use Great Axes? Or am I to assume because I can use a 'slashing' weapon, Axes of all kinds are automatically covered?

That's the question.

[LethalEncounter]

Does the web display over on eq2players display skills for characters?

[John Adams]

No more than in-game, I believe.