LethalEncounter wrote:The code automatically gets the highest available item that is lower than your score. So if you rolled an 11 it would give the item step up with a min_score of 10, but not the one with a min_score of 5. If there are multiple min_scores that are the same for your particular prize level, it randomly picks one.

LethalEncounter wrote:OK, I've got an idea. We add a hit_percentage field that ranges from 1-100 and always you to specify how often that item should be given IF the player's roll is higher than min_score. So in your example's case if we specify that the item can only be given 70% of the time then even if the player's max is 400 they wont get it more than 70%. This will have the side effect of slightly reducing gather rates at lower levels, but I think it is needed.

John Adams wrote:

LethalEncounter wrote:The code automatically gets the highest available item that is lower than your score. So if you rolled an 11 it would give the item step up with a min_score of 10, but not the one with a min_score of 5. If there are multiple min_scores that are the same for your particular prize level, it randomly picks one.

Sorry, I am still not getting Problem #2.

I have 2 common ores; tin cluster and leaded loam.

In the rare case the player harvests 10 tin cluster, the player should also receive 1 bronze cluster (the rare metal).

However, in my groundspawn_items configuration, I have a 10 leaded loam + 1 solidified loam option as well.

So if the player is mining the compound ore at any skill level, they may strike the 10 tin clusters + 1 bronze cluster, or the 10 leaded loam + 1 solidified loam. But I think what is happening is only the first entry in the groundspawn_bonus table is being rewarded (I think! I haven't gotten a 10 leaded yet heh).

The question/problem is, how do you tie the entry for 10 {item} to the trigger_bonus, to a specific bonus reward in groundspawn_bonus - if there is more than 1 groundspawn_bonus possibility, depending on what groundspawn_item triggered it?

Wow. Say that 10 times fast.

John Adams wrote:

LethalEncounter wrote:OK, I've got an idea. We add a hit_percentage field that ranges from 1-100 and always you to specify how often that item should be given IF the player's roll is higher than min_score. So in your example's case if we specify that the item can only be given 70% of the time then even if the player's max is 400 they wont get it more than 70%. This will have the side effect of slightly reducing gather rates at lower levels, but I think it is needed.

I like the idea, though it seems to be a bandaid over the problem of how 400/400 mining will not force a 99.999% chance of getting rares everytime off a T1 node.

Maybe there is a way to use the min_score as a multiplier with your current/max harvesting level to determine if you score something off the node? So if you are skill 5, and min_score is 5, it works out the same if you are skill 400 and min_score is 5.

John Adams wrote:Sorry, edited my post above (if you missed it heh).

Here's my second concern, regarding the min_score for Tier 1 harvestables. I was going under some assumption that the values here needed to be 1-5 - even though my characters harvest skill could be 20/20 in Tier 1 zones.

Should I be using 1 - 20 for min_score instead? The same groundspawn_entry is used throughout tier 1 zones, though the player starts at 1/5 skill, eventually should get to 20/20 max in Tier 1 (I think). Then to gain more skill, must move to T2 zones...

But meanwhile, a character with 20/20 in mining will far exceed the 1-5 min_scores I am setting on ores. Am I understanding min_score at all? I don't think so.

LethalEncounter wrote:If you have a better idea I'm all ears

LethalEncounter wrote:Nope, there is a chance for it to hit either. It is random although it might have a tendency to choose the first one a little more often. If more than one bonus item is set up in the table and the player's roll is good enough for multiple items, it chooses the one with the smallest percentage (ie the best rare it can get). Check out void GroundSpawn::ProcessHarvest(Client* client). The code is pretty straight forward.

LethalEncounter wrote:min_score is the lowest score you need to get that item. If you set it to 20, there is no possible way that a player could get the item for their first few levels.

John Adams wrote:
In the one groundspawn entry:
I have 2 common ores; tin cluster and leaded loam.
I have 2 rare ores; bronze cluster and solified loam.

Harvesting 1, 3, 5, and 10 all yield the right amount, though I probably want to make them a little rarer as you suggested.
When the rare is triggered, I properly get the rare 1 bronze cluster, or the 1 solidified loam.

It's when you score the 10 of either that there is a problem - or my lack of understanding.

When the harvest for the 10 of either is triggered, the player gets the 10 items. But, they should also get a correlating rare item depending which 10 commons they got. If they get tin, the bonus should be 1 bronze. If they get 10 leaded, they get 1 solidified.

So the question is, how do I guarantee this effect using the fact that 2 bonus rewards are possible - but specifically, only one depending on which one triggered it?

Make sense?

One, Three ... Many?
Harvesting changes hit the live servers with LU24 (June 14), which allow you to receive more than one resource per harvesting attempt. You will no longer receive messages that harvesting an item is trivial for you, and on any harvest where your current skill is above the maximum skill raise cap for the area, you will not fail on a harvest. (In other words: if your gathering skill is 94/95 in Antonica, and the maximum you can raise gathering in Antonica is 95, you'll have a chance to fail on the harvesting attempt and/or receive a skillup. If your gathering skill is 105/105 in that same zone, however, you will no longer fail on a harvesting attempt.) With each successful harvesting attempt, one of several things can happen:

    * You can receive a single common resource
    * You can receive 3 of the same common resource
    * You can receive 5 of the same common resource
    * You can receive a rare (this includes imbue items, which the game considers "rare")
    * You can receive 10 of a single common resource plus one rare ("10+1")

Anyone able to harvest in specific zone has a chance at any of the above events. While higher skill can slightly increase your chance of higher yields, never forget that we are always at the whim of the RNG (random number generator) and we'll all have good days and bad days harvesting. We can just do that harvesting significantly faster now. 

You acquire 10 \aITEM 420312695 -1981514135:boiled leather pelt\/a from the beast den.
You have found a rare item!
You acquire 1 \aITEM 1089447344 -307487981:cuirboilli leather pelt\/a from the beast den.

You mine 10 \aITEM 1272401169 -371256558:carbonite cluster\/a from the stonecrest ore.
You have found a rare item!
You mine 1 \aITEM -1820272970 -46382850:steel cluster\/a from the stonecrest ore.

You forest 10 \aITEM -862999234 1055187525:severed ash\/a from the felled high plains arbor.
You have found a rare item!
You forest 1 \aITEM -2021031067 1994717025:severed fir\/a from the felled high plains arbor.

You gathered 10 \aITEM -124283904 503679992:tussah root\/a from the velvety roots.
You have found a rare item!
You gathered 1 \aITEM -690692188 714416906:oak root\/a from the velvety roots.

You forest 10 \aITEM 1699653706 1952091963:severed briarwood\/a from the wretched arbor.
You have found a rare item!
You forest 1 \aITEM -270192395 -712511962:severed oak\/a from the wretched arbor.

You mined 10 \aITEM 2082209905 359096865:velium cluster\/a from the rhythmic stone.
You have found a rare item!
You mined 1 \aITEM -634402972 -709455268:ruthenium cluster\/a from the rhythmic stone.